Apr 8, 2013|
Howie Carr kicks off the "Man Up" debate between Republicans Mike Sullivan and Gabriel Gomez, who are both vying for a place on the ballot in the special election for Massachusetts' vacant U.S. Senate seat. Both candidates discuss why they believe they are the most qualified to be the next Senator. There's a lot of back and forth in the conversation and things get a bit heated at times. One of the main points that comes up is a letter Gomez wrote to Deval Patrick, in which he supported Barack Obama.
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This is the moment to that we've been waiting for this is the man up debate now way as you know -- -- last week or Gabriel Gomez C issued a press release she's one of the candidates for the USS Republican senate nomination to replace John Kerry. And he issued a press release asking. Mike Sullivan the former US attorney to man up and and didn't get to the the issues. And we came on the show that evening and as he was on the show while Mike Sullivan was trying to call around. But he couldn't call and so we have him on the next night but Mike's my call sold sent us a text or an email was saying that he wanted to debate. Gabriel Gomez one on one mono a -- man -- And we also invited. DM Winslow the state -- who -- -- third candidate in the fight a former judge and I he says he is at the had. DAM -- debate right now what the state house because they're debating the transportation package shaped the -- These these lesser of the transportation practically half billion dollars out of your pocket including an increase in the gasoline actions which you need right. So anyway it's Mike Solomon here on my on my left -- my right is is Gabriel Gomez -- all against former US attorney former ATF Boston. Former district attorney Plymouth county and state -- and Gabriel Gomez. Who was a graduate of the US Naval Academy. And Harvard Business School and lives now in court asked her core asset. And is really running for the office for the first time OK -- -- I'm gonna be a very EL AP and a moderator here. I was trained by Vince McMahon. And just -- yourself is being an idea at Texas death match type thing here anytime muddy that you know I hadn't I am I gonna try to shut anybody down but I won't. I will step in eventually. If you if you're going on in filibustering. We're just try to get -- questions and I'll let let you guys ask each other questions of the second segment Dirk or maybe the first depend upon how things go. But what let's just start off or give each of you guys a minute just to discuss why you're the most qualified person. In the race and sure I'll do age before beauty Mike you can go first. Instead they very much always great to be on your program. In terms YE in my the most qualified I'd say experienced some I look at the experience and I've had both -- -- a private sector sixteen years to Gillette company. Starting on the factory floor working my way up in July to the assistant and a president pretty minor graduate degree mile -- degree working at the mutual company. And then a number of years and no government service as well serving as a -- representing major the major major reform is save wrapped district attorney. When in the US attorney's office days after 9/11 and took on the enormous responsibility of the US attorney's office at that point time started out fraud -- was that the US attorney's office. We're just a major national security matters and took over. At the national level in terms of ATF as well so I say people want to -- vote for somebody that's been tested. They didn't vote for somebody that they can trust as well this reason I'm running in the ignites it senate race. Okay that was less than a minute a Gabriel Gomez -- I want you. I delegate opportunities in my life and I've earned everything and I've done for -- to learn English usually went to school. To earn his way to the Naval Academy to -- in his native -- links to -- his navy seal trident. Can't earn his -- in our business school. I want everybody at the same opportunity that I had in everybody else is give us an opportunity that I had. Going forward we see on the same path that we're on right now with sixty trillion dollars in debt in economic instability. We can't afford -- that our kids won't have the same opportunities. And that's why we can't send people are -- politics -- good part of their life or career politician down to DC we see where that's gotten us. Really trillion test that finally get more tested and trusted them being aircraft carrier pilot and navy seal. Now and I say I agreed to the table. Is a military -- as disciplined. Followed sensitivity. In a -- experience. This is what I bring to the table this is what the people -- Massachusetts originally said it was certainly go on talk to and they don't want to read another career politician down NEC. There was some -- true effective leadership has been in the military. And true private sector experience helping companies going to be successful. They okay that's Gabriel Gomez and by the way this is that this GOP special senate debate. Show is brought to you by perfect smiles beyond exceptional the mystery going -- very -- guys -- hit -- beautiful. Smiling. And with a -- up. Doctor doctor Bruce. How was all right okay now -- -- -- I know I just wanted to get you guys to confirm it that's -- now I -- now. We've got the I see what letter you have in front of you and I believe Gabriel -- Mike and I see -- Gabriel's sees it though. I did it let's start let's start -- the debate with the obvious here you underwater it would point in time during the course of this campaign -- -- did you wake up and hope that this was just a horrible dream. Did you actually he delivered this letter this -- communication the Governor Deval Patrick. And -- guy when I did they raise my hand. And I volunteered myself. To serve the people the Commonwealth of Massachusetts as I've done all my life. I've been an eighty person and I volunteer now the governor had a very unique opportunity. To reach across the aisle and appoint the Republican -- down in -- work and people a week before wrote that letter. He came on publicly said he would consider you for Democrats side. Republican side he also -- this tax cuts through 2006. -- you know what the governor came out there said that. That's the commander -- work though it's not so I raise my hand as an eighty guys like I've been all my life. And I volunteered to go down. In view the work that people -- what message is -- an effective job. What was on it affects the fact they get asked for the job Gabriel is not the problem from my perspective. It would -- said to the governor when asked him to a point you know I mean how do you reconcile would you say to the governor he told the governor I support. President Barack Obama. Can Iraq -- reporting a Republican primary saying I don't support president Barack Obama. Don't think there's a problem with three guys a double speaking on important issues and people would come -- the Massachusetts. There is this -- Dole's speaking their mind off the fact is and I said that I support Barack Obama means I donated in the primary. Every one of us that would support means a meeting gig gave 230 dollars did you tell you said to Governor Deval Patrick. I gave -- toured thirty dolls did you say I support President Obama. Michael what I'm not a career politician I really don't know you have the -- politician to tell the truth though Michael I haven't been in politics I support the -- I -- support and what consistently I gave me two or three -- in the primary now look. Everybody that I'm competing against either mr. Gensler mr. Sullivan had donated to Democrats I knew I did again I didn't evaluate on Barack Obama it's a simple fact. Now could a person with career politician experience have written orderly differently needs a couple of different words sure. Well I don't look at things through political ends I don't look at things calculated political matter I simply look at it as an eighty guy. I'm a fiscal concern a Republican and -- things that I raise my hand I volunteered I had the guts to raise my hand I don't know where to go after Mike Furrey it will know your -- But -- and will let me just ask you something gave -- because -- -- I looked at the the don't you released your how much money you made and I think you made 88 million -- -- for five year period of time. Mean -- I'm sure you understand that Barack Obama in 2008 was talking about common after. People like you who succeeded in business who made a good life for themselves being -- get that he -- she doesn't like people like fuel. Who or anybody who makes a living on their own and -- is successful -- enjoy -- stay out. I've ordered and any guy I would for John McCain 2008 and I voted for Mitt Romney 2012. Simple fact I believe I gave Barack Obama or senator -- -- time to earn three dollars in the primary why don't you are used to before why it. Friend I went to law school it's that simple yes about to get France. Well you both for any Republicans and Republican primary in 2000 -- Gabriel. Can you said he that you took guts to write a letter to -- up seeing letters that people have written and I would prefer to his gutsy. This is -- she -- this is not gutsy for salt. You it's hard question ACL and he has got her. I'm Michael I don't know I don't I don't I iris -- I was back where you diner why don't I don't hit it any respect for any -- done in my life gasoline respectfully ask you why -- -- I -- -- in my service not given to the people would come -- that's -- that's not -- by -- said the usual the -- was -- I'm not talking about your personal -- and work -- -- don't infect. -- recognized your worth every time you talk about being first generation. American and a navy guy I tell you that you remind me what did and we did was first generation in American in a navy guy. But usually the letter was gutsy does nothing gutsy about the latter -- -- something gushing about the letter you talked about. Deval Patrick -- thoughtful leadership what did Deval Patrick -- That you described as being bold in thoughtful leadership that we can disagree on whether you. Think that's that's you're not. I see videos raise -- hand the Kenyan IDC IDC but you raise you see videos raised her hand Republicans I -- -- and actually give the -- governor the opportunity or reach across the -- And appoint a Republican NTELOS nobody else had no idea that was -- that one thing that the ball has done that ball to pop and I said look I'm not a career politician. I didn't write that through political lens when a musical -- different words. Absolutely but look. I'm not a -- -- I don't look at things through political less efficient and it's as simple maybe somebody who's been in politics forgive part of their life would have written a letter definitely know I don't think -- -- -- he's very good letter written by somebody. Who's looking to get appointed to the position. Did you write a letter by the way actually wrote the letter you did okay and I was when I really that's a really good as that person that I am I'm needy guy and a Republican and I wrote a letter. Not from a political perspective because I'm not a politician no I was whatever the -- consultant wrote it for you. That's all I was asked gasoline that I don't have to sort of humor or I don't have to assault itself on my website either so I said I strongly believe disappointment would be good for the Democrats he should be good for Governor Patrick. He shouldn't be good for the Democrats what do the people in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts why would you consider whether -- -- viewpoint that would be good for them. Actually I think he went okay -- appoint somebody like myself a conservative Republican would have been no good for the conservative -- women now you say among moderate Republican not a conservative Republican. Several -- certain views that I have that I -- -- more broader than the -- Republican Party so he would be moderate for instance will be moderate. But gay marriage I don't believe any kind discrimination -- -- I think that -- few people -- left did you really get married and I -- appealing Gelman just like Michael. Okay. OK how do you stay in the gay marriage Michael. I'm a traditionalist I have a long held belief that marriage between one man and one woman would you vote to repeal Obama yes I would you what is this. And the reason behind that is Massachusetts recognizes same sex marriage everybody's -- -- -- should get the same benefits but what are the voters never got a chance to. Two world and weigh in on it through that's right it's it considered part of the constitution and democracy works best when the people participate in the democracy. -- -- Here's here's what Michael and I actually agree on a lot of things. We're both fiscal conservatives. We both pro life. We're both strong performs -- Second Amendment what I had an issue. Is that he's hiding behind. In third party group and extreme group that has extreme views to -- its limited is pleased to announce a couple weeks before they're gonna come to Massachusetts. It's our filming TV ads and radio guys attacking me. And his campaign here USC came out and said that you welcome their support very well I don't know I don't know I don't know I was hazards are brilliant and I just not what I had this. Wish what I'm disappointed is. Is that he's had two weeks. To tell the people -- Massachusetts. Whether or not. He's in. Condones their views are condenser views this is the conservatives should look you should have -- should just say -- he got issues with me bring it up an Alitalia. But we had and the fact is he's had two weeks that he is not come. And said whether he agrees or not with the letter with that would the letter but with the people that are doing these ads. Well I want the name of the group is conservative what is the conservative and police say something like that what does that Gabriel what's the name of like yeah we're Hibernia Qaeda -- -- -- I don't think we're we're not a discount. I don't know who the group told them. -- it was first -- at the residue that conservative campaign committee conservative campaign committee -- go ahead. Let's get the record straight. I did say two weeks ago that they welcome the participation you know good what you're what you're now whenever or not I know your campaign your arrest me not to try to deal -- -- Did you said that I said two weeks ago I welcome their support I never said -- the first time I was confronted. Played this group India potential message. Was born Ellison came from -- I'd never got it neck and ask me at a campaign stop with -- Cole that was the first I knew illumination I don't know anything about the group. If they have any type of hate for her full on message the content. How well this tomorrow it but when you send your press release is Solomon should I didn't disavow the statements. We're demand that they take their tech is back. What statements what are they said the bug you. Did I should be disavowing did you gave money to Barack Obama that you supported President Obama that you support the president's position on immigration. In gun control Michael. Your campaign came out. In -- well we don't know or not to capture after they announced that they're gonna come or a Massachusetts your campaign cannot assess what we welcome and we will support. -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- -- I haven't seen yes magazine or lied to us and that's hosting -- but then I thought so -- supposed to do so not the point is deal or not the people Massachusetts deserve whether or not you actually -- you know you agreeing condone and the views of these people -- your hiding behind you he's out. I don't know anything about the group Gabriel and I should here and I Charlie I don't -- -- about the group. You call me a liar in your press release I've never once called -- -- during the course of this campaign and when I really big. What we're loose where these -- It's cities Sullivan's campaigns and they were happy to accept this group's help and O'Sullivan is pretending. He's never heard of them. What I did it or heard of them I'm not pretending I went to my campaign comes and that he says something on the public -- and all of my campaign -- you're saying Beasley donor you're saying that your campaign came and I'll say you don't know what you're campaigns they -- -- -- as I know I said I am I don't I've never heard of them I never heard the group until relishing king mentioned it -- I mean yes we come here. Because you should I should be confronting you about the letter and a twenty during the course of the campaign. I -- -- interest in talking you bought the land of the Charlotte -- you can do whatever you want with it in terms of your explanation -- -- here because you should somehow. I was a minute left to ask you -- a letter to wish me and up what is that supposed to mean my career high and behind the group we have at the funeral I don't want that kind of an equal tenacity rent free online hiding behind anybody of the people message Jesus wanted to know whether or not. You can down -- -- that this group's views and attitudes you let me ask you some Gabriel what do you know about the growth. I know if they'd actually set up -- OK let's let's hear it I mean here's one example. And these are relentless vicious and held that that's that's real and our children so so regular gay agenda down our threats. Now do you dude I can yeah those statements all why is it take two weeks April when this came out group yeah it's taken to lose their cool from. This founder leader Michael who's the leader that's actually what I think markets which is for is that as last first rumors last night. On. I've -- Marcia I've spent my whole career scrubs were in my whole career protecting people's rights protecting people's civil rights. Protecting people from hate crimes this place and I society for those types of statements Gabriel. But we're here because you said I wasn't willing to confront to both the letter in your explanation for the -- somehow you're Smart enough to write a letter that. I mean we're we're here now we're here because your -- in -- grew alassane you need to man up and ask in person about why I'm here asking you per but the point is is that it to -- two weeks. To come out I'm glad -- finally did notify you about finally I'm glad you finally condemning this group of kids MRI -- words that condemn and condemn their worst the worst but it Turkey two weeks doing the math it. Why do they first came out you isn't it isn't it I'm the same as is proper for him as a candidate to two Libyan contact with a third party I have a -- -- was I thought it was illegal actually no but it is really actually come out publicly say you RT what. If it's -- -- two weeks to come out a series you did which I can I apply for that that's not tested and trusted whoa whoa wait a minute now Gabriel now you calling into question my character. -- I'm -- is it that it's not a good idea that group could come out in minutes supported me. Within five minutes I would condemn that group. And that and that person and their manager I was -- -- question. Play Ellison whether I ever heard of the group place I never heard of the group. And I said if there was -- he -- hurtful message but should this why did you or did you go with what did you know that there were gonna take out ads against him actually -- it. Knowing that they followed Obama when Alison King approached me and any campaign stop but they also have -- all. I -- updates Jack -- as well. And I printed ads -- -- -- how -- -- -- is seen as anyone in this -- seen the ads or heard the absolutely you have different so did you hear of the -- -- in the media will on the web site. Looks like two different neighbor said he heard yet who I don't seem part -- I haven't heard yet -- us apart like on YouTube. We're releasing any sort so as far as we know they have a to have they have big -- immediately bought any time I don't know they've all time high. They were by the time on this station I know I don't think that -- and I we have on the none of us have heard of but I just think the silence speaks volumes and what's silence who goes -- he's had two weeks -- if I don't then finally glad you came out hit them did you -- -- we're headed to the governor several. I'm talking about and talking about yeah. It's only and we're trying to give. Hi all I'm glad you actually have to -- -- I'm glad we're here outlined his -- Still interest and true is supporting the -- the positions of prisoners taken. When issues like gun control that's what you told Governor Deval Patrick did you support the president's positions on gun control. And -- -- traveling around the state Gabriel saying you were supported the Second Amendment. You can't -- -- -- -- I'm a firm support the second and Michael and I -- -- I didn't write that letter through right now let him through political land or calculating manner -- You know -- I'm not a career policy was calculated that you wrote the letter if you wrote -- letter in order to get appointed by the governor I resent and as an eighty. I thought I haven't heard there's a slick lawyer today. I'm not a lawyer no no blaming your calling him a slick lawyer tonight and are calling -- -- -- Wu who was the slick warrior you were referring them. Was a dimmer Winslow somebody else asking the question during the -- Somebody. So is his latest. Also was Winslow you were -- there was a slick and you don't think -- think that Mike -- a slick lawyer -- a lot of respect for Michael and -- -- -- career Reid has come if we come at things from a different perspective I got a lot different set of Latin spears says. In a different reason I think why I'm running at very different thing if I got to offer the people in Massachusetts. It's a simple. I have a lot Irsay died -- say that we agree on a lot of issues were both fiscal conservatives were both pro life for both strong proponents of the Second Amendment. We just -- things become this race from a different perspective -- difference and life experiences. And I think we just have different things to add third. Different things if you. Okay present let's take a break we're that they -- breakthrough would be exactly what you guys question each other starting with you Gabriel or. Okay GOP special senate debate has brought you by perfect smiles beyond exceptional dentistry -- -- car.