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Not okay. Radio. Oh yeah. And I am having and you're listening to new England's foremost. Addiction and mental health program. Hi every or you can you. I'm doing well it was it was a sad news this week to -- yet another. Yet many more overdose deaths from from heroin and prescription opiates and the one that's in the news that is the tragic losses of Philip Seymour Hoffman the incredible Oscar winning actor who that it appears it probably overdose from. From heroin. And this is really shined a light and Terrell due to an athlete and what we do we know that there is a huge heroin problem in this country and we know that many people die every day. From heroin overdose -- I second my brother you said. When he was at school in Atlanta he was late it was everywhere and people acting like it's just -- here. That's just that I'm not to laugh at that put it -- you -- you know everybody's saying heroin and we know every day that there is there's an epidemic going on and hit -- on here and. And eastern Massachusetts has the highest overdose from -- not heroin opiates -- in the country. So but there's also been you know luck in the media about celebrities and addiction and you know this discourages horrible. Horror show. Of media attention that goes on when somebody tragically. Not only attention judgment judgment that's the news media and it's it's just been you know I was. To my friends people I really know -- having conversation. You know they should just put it down just ask for health and it's like to stop this. -- probably that's so them. Well it turns that is that nobody has exclude anything Benedict yeah and it's just so disciplined well it's. And it's this dichotomy of like let's you know let's. Let's judge these very rich people they don't see the face of addiction every -- we do we know it's not. Just rich celebrities and addictions the equal opportunity killer. And it and it really it takes anybody see you can be an Oscar winning. Actor who's incredibly talented and creative or you can be kid from the suburbs of Boston where you can be a woman who works you know. Somewhere with a full time it's and this is still an open and it's it's we. And they think one thing we should be clear that is. Opiate addiction. Doesn't start by people saying that I think are trying heroin that's very important. It starts with people who say boom I have -- what's this little perk -- clarity here you know what are these painkillers like my friends are really into them -- My mom got the prescribed by -- and she had a few leftover -- you know so also went to the -- and there's already some left in there so it's insidious we know that we have some great guests on tonight we have we're very lucky very lucky we have Kristen Johnston. Two time Emmy award winning actress currently starring in the TV land sitcom the -- which is awesome yes she is the New York Times best selling author of -- a memoir about her addiction to drugs and alcohol. And she's the founder and executive director of slam SL AM foundation dedicated. To creating a sober high school in New York City. Christine joins us on the phone from Los Angeles hi Kristin. Hi guys thanks for -- -- you make clear that I don't live in LA -- live in New York when I'm out here shooting show that. If the economy is the fifth in some of the Atlantic. And Joseph shrank. Is joining us as well Joseph is a social worker and interventionist. And he's become the go to addiction expert for the national news outlets appearing on CNN fox. And HL and among the among others he is a co-founder of the core company. A full service consultation firm dealing with all issues regarding substance abuse. And he is. He's the co-founder of the nation's leading journalistic enterprise dedicated. Through addiction and recovery the fix dot com. Welcome to -- Think you if -- out here is another thing and it credits he's really good friends of mine. Assertive aggressive enough Lou we've been one of the earth that the. I don't really Joseph actually saved my life that first here right. Somehow. Was lucky enough to be introduced in Hammond. You really really gave my -- That's great -- so Kristin. We loved your article in the New York Times that you over the summer. It really talked about it. And if people not understanding addiction. Yeah turning addiction in to a sideshow. -- what what prompted you to relate. Well it's. Like. You know that Celebrity Rehab show and sleep with tree -- -- -- treated it like a joke. And even intervention which it is these. -- Or other it was taken very seriously and done quite well but even match show you -- hole all big east on lying to -- addicts. You now and and tricking them into coming into this room -- should -- to solve them during an intervention which is the most. You know obviously probably the darkest time in anyone's life yes it just -- you mean like we can get advantage of addicts. We're showing them at it at their the most foolish like we can possibly make semantics. And we scare them like and you know which fascination. And operating -- it's a rare make ourselves feel like less than addict I. I'm just I've had it done yet I. -- Can you read from the article there that there's. There's a sense that starts with it bothered me for a long time talking about this very issue. And to be clear I don't have like you know it's not extreme paper -- to its -- With. We it would what are bombing every month it's is it bothered me for a long time REK okay. Well you know -- today it was after the Dina Lohan -- -- -- -- -- -- and how -- -- that. Suppose that I had psychologists. You know treated the woman who would I don't know what you were not actually done anything should certainly acted as -- -- a little off. And the way he treated her with such derision. And light it just got. It really -- Ago I wrote it bothered me for a long time. A few weeks later I realized why oh my god this entire country thinks about it. Think we're also Hillary spineless oil and -- -- -- don't have the guts to realize. How could anyone believe otherwise -- this is exactly what they're told over and over in television shows the track and elsewhere. Yeah it was a beautiful sent me. And there and that kind of feeds into what happened this week with just this you know. -- onslaught of media attention and judgment like every so towards the end of the tragic death of of somebody. -- who was struggling with this disease and it. Yeah I struggle to be very good friend of mine. Not from and -- -- -- -- And -- -- I mean we were we -- you know -- -- -- but we would see each -- -- -- you know I -- Toward him and thank -- I was not close enough to go to general -- thanks. But armed. I certainly adored him. What what what does the media myths about addiction and what does the general public missed that. The people like us understand we're having active. Honestly think no matter how many times we tell them. Or how many scientists say it they refused to believe that it's of course it's not a question of choice yes. -- I think that's the main misunderstanding. Is just speaking to will power. And they just don't understand why -- -- you like them. All they've drank a little too much in high school they stopped they were getting angry why can't we you know they don't understand our brains -- I mean Joker he. It's certainly much. So until he went. How would you speak to that. Well I think that it's meant. Problem. You know we tell people with the disease. In the brain malady and so forth. And then we and then which -- course re aware out of problem. And there is no other diseases treated that way and you know. We don't arrest people with hypertension for -- -- that's. Out there. Diabetes and sit -- and it did in if you weren't diabetic -- you people are diabetic itty -- Have a specific way that they need to stay within range and I think beat -- him. Now I'm this and you're out -- shall open wheel and so anyway so I mean artistic that we -- We do not back up the claim that the fiction and it it in your art these mental health issue. We're all. How -- we change that. And we changed. You know first the ball. There needs to be organization. Needs to be recovery for people recovery not. They don't take on these issues the way people are eases. Its if you had if you're rocketed -- shame you mean. I don't know why it. You're right now. Tests and be prepared to use -- rock answered you marched for our Easter in Prague. And if your mother had -- to answer any that you Wear in Europe and mutually it is where. We for the failure wherever you were -- and I do not think the people in recovery. No I don't think that they own and you know -- next generation I think that we and change absolutely. Harvick now with all due respect. Towards twelve step programs which certainly helped me tremendously. Don't think part of it is. Is that -- they confuse things and we're -- a 100% because. When people -- and you and I have. America. I have to interrupt you guys for a second I love where this is going. I wanna talk about changing perceptions. -- talking about the movie not the anonymous people. But we're gonna have to go to a break real quick you're listening to rate turned radio -- WR Treo 680 a M will be -- Beckett after the break. -- And. Welcome back I'm -- go in here with -- every team. You're listening to right through radio tonight we're talking. About heroin prescription opiates were talking about the media's. You. Celebrities and addiction and we're talking later on the show we're going to be talking with Jamie stirring and -- or -- of the Cambridge. Prevention coalition on the phone we have Joseph shrink founder of the fix dot com. And Kristen Johnston is back with us. She's an actor and advocate a recovery advocate and the author of the great book guts welcome back you guys. And we're just talking about how -- how we can change pursue the perception how we can get the media to change the perception of addiction. So and so I didn't -- -- I don't even more like what Elizabeth -- did this week last week. What is so profound. You know coming forward just being open and honest then you know here here's the deal but I was struck out. Back to me change is more it's certainly probably saved many lives. But it probably changed. A lot of people's perception that it it you know what you sell selfish idiot now. Your problem is isn't just Hollywood problem at all and I can say from having traveled this means that. OK I get so many different benefits. Different rehab -- I'm on Twitter and FaceBook and I talked to hundreds of thousands of addicts. And not one of them is saying. -- This is just it's not a Hollywood but when you were just once you're out. -- I think more people just that are open about it you know just sort of argued that those who -- out and that's not some secret that there are probably got should be backed off him. You mean recovery is the new black. What exactly. -- and Rick are you art recovery. Well I think it and people that people spend a lot of energy. Seeing them. Vs us you know those people and in its in its famous people they can assailants them when his -- out buildings -- them I think that more. It higher first chapter of my books. It is about you know literally. I just tried to make -- is even the playing field by saying look. Every single post pre pubescent purse in the United States. Understand and first hand what addiction. Or work statute. That sex. You know. What ever. -- You know we got I don't know everybody's addicted to something or -- some. But I I I I I think that the differences is that. You know that the people sitting at home that haven't been touched by addiction and it's hard to find anybody knows that I met them. But I mean -- they. One person -- our -- they say well Jim has a drinking problem but it's hard for them to comprehend. How you know somebody gets a heroin problem and then they don't see addiction is this is this kind of blanket the covers all that behavior. And they don't see you know unfortunately. And -- you can talk more about this about the public perception but. You know people with diabetes don't go out and rob pharmacy uses to get their influence in addition there you know so. There is that. Adidas is insulin and sugar were illegal. -- -- morning -- rusher -- Earlier and I mean and get your point you know that that didn't nature what you're using. You aren't very good human -- propped up now you now you are itself this year you are somebody who might -- your friends. You know you are somebody who might. God knows raped or steal I don't know. But it's certainly view not a good human being and I understand that. And I think that's our problem to use our era but like I think people in America are so angry at addiction. And that's what I felt this week about bill. -- That anger toward him. Now. Bullets really interesting because I work with families and I tried to talk to the family that they have a common enemy that kids in the family and the parents. And other ethnic enemies the addiction and it's not the person who is using that it's. So hard for people yeah it is. So Joey here's your saying. I think you were also in the same thing Joseph is that you're saying and always that this punitive. You know approach that we have. Towards addiction -- you know throwing people in jail and resting. -- is it is not helping. You know this is predictions image in that needs to change yeah. Chris how are not helping at all at long as people think of addiction and their computers that's criminal behavior and not cult here. Reinforces. The idea that it is something that can be incarcerated I would be actually -- -- these are important work. But it but it does not -- not to mention a disproportionately. Raced as it is up. There's another thing that -- or not I don't. He's saying look if you rob a bank when your. Yeah you go to jail and I'm an absolutely gamers -- -- -- dying or being high or aren't something should not meet. But but -- we had a situation if we had. Things in place ideally we -- inner you know on the fiction work came bank -- so what I really mean. -- guys exactly yet. And we have a bunch of those appear. I don't do this we love we love Michelle and -- -- -- great -- she can't has slammed the march let's. Putting the money instead of the money and towards an addiction putting it. Towards prevention and education treatment. Yes I think I am a medical student and education for sure but education about recovery -- I would dare program as one of my T yeah. -- you weren't that. Not a rapper. We don't -- down. They never educate about recovery or out possibility that just certain drug are currently orders and they answered I don't think arches and oh yeah please tell me in times to six -- out their parents. And the cop I'm in the drug Eric -- -- or my I -- my company we Oscars yeah. Anyway so this is there a direct action make that point. Couple of us a couple of years ago Martin O'Malley. Of Maryland raise taxes on alcohol -- that. Adult. There was nothing there is very minimal respect. It made eighty million dollars in the first here. On the and that is -- the revenue went to the and kept law. Because there is no recovery who are saying all we want you to -- -- I mean how many people can you put treatment how many I'm Richard programs could you put -- we. People imprisoned and reentry program. And so on and so forth -- with eighty million dollars. It's sort really do you believe that the community organizing and public policy. And that's one of the big things -- I think is gonna change I think taxation of alcohol is huge. Because it is so minimal most states haven't raised taxes on alcohol generation. And we just. We just did it and it had voted down and we lost the caller. Ackerley because to distilled spirits lobby holds all of that are right and I knew that this still lobby and that their program. -- Is that I had this great it is a great topic it's a whole other show well. It is true that an article has now changed public perception right on help people live out there should not people we're gonna arrest you. -- -- -- We are what we -- or not what we and that there is this fine Harry messaging yes -- health problem but you're criminal. -- this is I think this is an opportunity in and if if Phil Hoffman death serves any purpose this horrible. Tragedy it's opening up this it comes at a time when -- after Vermont governor Peter Shumlin made his state of the state message completely about. Beat the heroin and opium addiction problem Vermont and bring up the same. Issues that you're bringing up Joseph loses you know we have to start putting money toward treatment and prevention and it would have been. Do I -- you know we -- I'd been shouting about this stuff first year -- him far longer than I have. And it's just it's really. Really frustrating. I feel like shouting to a win tomorrow I really do. Let's see Kristin I don't think you are because you wrote the book and you willing to come out with it and I think the more people who. Hard you know just -- admirable people are willing to come out with it I think it does things for it. -- the people who don't want to believe you know they disables you matter Hollywood media in India. Well I mean you're not market saying we're so essential. And that and I think normalizing it. In the in the community you know the faces of recovery people coming out and saying I'm in recovery. This is possible it does work. And there is hoping that -- your neighbors and your. And you know what we should be admired I'm sorry yeah. Yes it's that really is some really amazing thing about what we've done and believe. I I mean I'm proud of -- so. -- and I think the other thing is that it. More if people like you make it cool you don't have to be doing drugs to be famous you can actually do it and be sober. I think that you know from a lifestyle perspective and one of the things that we always contended with -- six whereas. You. Communicate about intoxication. -- lifestyle. Yet but whatever that without being door with. That it should. He's made. I think that you know one of the things that we didn't come people coming treatment they also think everybody. Yep -- -- not everybody. Now it's very hard for them to envision a wife that does not include. Some form you know. And we see where we see that every day I I wanna think. Joseph shrinking Kristen Johnston so much for -- weighing in on this and for. Chris and thanks for being on again we really love having you on your welcome it's hard. Think you know and Joseph thanks for taking time out we're where we're we're hoping part of the of the right through radio family now. And I can't say if they'd be interested in the salt or high school getting information emerges worse slammer like he dot. Or -- -- to agree it's a great causing and it needs to happen. Thanks so much of those -- director radio and WRKO six city area him. Cause with your questions six point 72666860. It will be right back. Yeah. Welcome back to break through radio armed -- hand here with my co pilot. And and a spiritual advisor I never -- this New Jersey is. That's quite the rumors on FaceBook. Mentioning FaceBook to make sure to check out right turn on FaceBook. And -- through live on FaceBook we have live music every Saturday night this coming Saturday. The wonderful rates and open my questions and it's amazing and I think it -- however. -- people who that are going on there. So we're here in the studio. We have a couple of guests. With us we have -- first Jamie starring. She is the coordinator of a new force of the collaborative thing that they're reducing the misuse and abuse. A prescription pain medications and reducing hope you're related overdoses. The collaborative is based that the Cambridge public Health Department and the participating communities are Cambridge efforts Somerville Watertown. Jamie has been working in the field of health and education for every used welcome to rate and review -- -- So also we have with us -- -- Who's the director of the Cambridge prevention coalition. And it's also at the Cambridge Health Department and she works with local communities. To address. Underage drinking marijuana use an opiate use and abuse. Welcome thank you. So we because we got to listen to -- and Joseph talk about you know the media's view of addiction. I would imagine that weren't -- your collaborative cities. I'm it is a little different. In some ways you're not seeing the movie stars and then. That could you tell us about what you guys do what your programs about. I am working on state funded grants with four communities on Massachusetts. Cambridge -- on average and Watertown. And and the grant has two focuses one is our primary prevention -- -- real prevention real prevention at a funded by the state of Massachusetts to look at attracting prescription. Pain medication abuse and misuse that in the state so before people become addicted talking to them about. -- disposals and medication how people become addicted army misused these medications. And second piece is overdose prevention. -- -- -- Which -- harm reduction approach so looking at how to keep people safe who are using these medications. I'm so that -- to stay alive long enough to go to her country. So if it -- you talk about prevention what's the population -- you're going to talk through. So it's really every -- and act like -- the the -- hits and when. Well and I would always talks to. The people that are written on the ground police officers people working in needle exchanges shelters in the community. Our schools this problem is that taxiing. People across the -- whether it's your kid you had a sports injury -- per scratch of prescription pain medication and your friend that was in a car accident and had a back injury. Out of iron vetoes somebody -- maybe like Catholic construction job like this this problem in fact any Latin. And it dot it's. What we're seeing with in the cluster -- -- primarily. Obstacle between the ages of 24 and fifty. Aaron target population in just in our class there but -- And I think primarily meant it again it's basically almost 5050 between them and you can. Since utility to prescribe errors as well. So that is one of the impressions as to talk about that because that's one of the things we see is that you know somebody has a broken I -- -- -- get sixty -- -- cents a maybe three days with the purchase it but you don't need a month -- the practice so uneventful minutes -- up. This project is to talk about treating policies to reduce this problem. -- so. Working away at hospital system isn't doctors -- like limiting prescriptions. I'm supporting doctors and enrolling in -- Massachusetts prescription monitoring system. Which they're able to go in and look out their patient to CVB who else has prescribed the medication and also. What other medications have been prescribe to that because there's things that may increase your risk of Harvard -- so if you're there pest. -- prescription for maybe anxiety. And then you broke your arm and need a pain medication mixing those medications -- that you. Added increased transfer over to us. And that's an important conversation for your doctor or your pharmacist how -- you know. So how to access to that information and for your doctor and your pharmacist -- really important. And Massachusetts the state is requiring that doctors and they aren't they re -- all their licenses that that they enroll in this program. So it's not mandatory you know it's if you're getting your license its mandatory in the news. So you guys are on -- on a seven year grip with this mission. And -- Your organization. Tell -- kind of the overall goal of what you guys are doing. The goal of the Cambridge prevention coalition is as simple. And it is to prevent and reduce substance use among teenagers. Specifically around underage drinking. As well as marijuana use and then we also have. We oversee this piece of the program around -- misuse and abuse. NO -- overdoses are you seeing problems with teenagers who use. We see it cameras -- Cambridge as well as. Their members are lackluster. Again Jamie mentioned that we work with Watertown. And Watertown amongst the four cities it's the highest amongst high school students. It's really again an issue across the board. Yeah I mean is really amazing how how prevalent it is out there. And any other thing I want to point out that Massachusetts. Had the same -- approach to smoking and that is smoking because they focus on primary prevention the truth and -- and we -- relatively cash smoking rates lower than anywhere else so this so this stuff the solar works. You have a million and and it's it's. It's -- good it is. As we say it's like boots on the ground. Kind of stuff that's going to be practical hope what do you say -- the critics that say you know and I know you talked about harm reduction Jamie. That say well you're just encouraging people to do heroin by. By you know giving the masters was the first data believed that. To have we're here going to embargo and needle safely. In the and in the drugstore. A what do you say to people that are critical harm reduction. You can't recover your debt. And that's like the legislative putted and that I'm. It had to be having a human -- using -- and -- having a prescription pain medication. Probably doesn't mean you have to diet but I did that you do pay your other espresso covered as if you don't understand it overdoses. And -- educating people about. -- harm reduction and as -- I standards have family members loved ones friends and outlet overdoses. Content and how to reduce to recognize an artist to reduce your harm. Is really important because if you're not a lot you can recover. What is things that this whole you know -- death of the -- you know famous person has played -- to me. These people's. Fear of -- like heroin is is seen as such a different thing. And what we've noticed -- that is lake. Everybody starts you know with their little perk cassette and this isn't there an accident that was -- beginning and harrowing isn't a Latin isn't different. And that it's just you know and a lot of people start by snorting heroin -- doing other things with Ireland you can die from snorted yeah and you can die from smoking her when. So so pain medication affects the brain will exact same way inherently does technically it's the exact same days and and it's important to know that and you're more likely to die out from a prescription pain medication covered us in Massachusetts and you are from heroin covered us. But what are the things that act has really affected me since struggling working with this grant is that connection between prescription pain medication abuse. And heroin addiction and that. You know it starts released all right and you say and then you're dependence tolerance changes for medication. And then you can't afford to IA you know whatever your -- you're tolerances and so. He inherited a lot cheaper than prescription medications and you know if you are using just if you -- normal and to get through your day. And you have to report. -- -- how do you afford it never never pre. -- now and that's and that's what we you know we see day in and Leo and that right turn is is doing these families that are. Wondering why you you know. Their loved ones stole from them -- their loved one is that it is you know in jail serving time for some kind of non violent crime. So when things. So a famous person probably overdosed in his bathroom. Could it could it now can have saved him. Could wedding quickly if somebody was there Suzanne we want to see what nor can there is -- Atlanta this. Now I can and locks and isn't as that medication. That in Massachusetts you can access you can have nasal candidates also admin in -- medication that can reverse an overdose so. What actually happens is it out. Went to the diet and Curtis you'd die for lack of oxygen because there's doctors and your brain are filled with this appeal it. And they don't know I need -- -- you don't remember to -- you don't remembers debris and so dark can actually has a stronger. Polls of interceptors and long -- GOP right off. And allow that person to breathing and -- in Massachusetts -- -- -- and you can access that in many places all over the state if you go to our website you can find that out one -- -- is -- actually many. -- you can get an and a nasal forms he sprayed at that person's status. A little side effects four are black -- it is that it arms. It reverses the over -- system and may feel a little -- sank after it. But if you are not covered -- -- from it the right it's not gonna do anything so if you. -- -- somebody and you were worried that there Everest and manipulating given our candidate they had a heart attack. It's not going to hurt that person. So -- arcana is how. It's very important to -- to -- -- so if someone if you know so it can be given to someone who's news. He who's not and this past so if you think that somebody is how and is overdosing on heroin or prescription pain medication. I need to sprayed at their nose and I hung in three to five minutes. If it's not working even give them a second dose that and they should start to wake up. Yeah I can last anywhere from thirty to ninety minutes and that's why it's really important if someone uses I can -- and they get to an emergency -- Because what's that our camp starts preying off that person actually can over to us again because the appeal it still might be in there's this -- -- and they could stop breathing. So it's really important that -- seeks medical attention. And there was some concern. You know that people wouldn't call. You know the same reason people in the room would call ambulance companies because they feel they would be you know they would be implicated in possession or. It's being involved with supporters that's an -- team. And out what that does is it protects people frowned and it. At the scene and an overdose. If you caught my my lining here at the scene and there's drug paraphernalia at the scene unless you have a warrants. Eight protects you know and that person who -- overdosed. So. We're here we're talking about heroin and overdose were talking to James Stein and keeps your mind from. From Cambridge the city of Cambridge to confide totally forgot what. Every intervention can't risk CPC got CPC and find them on the Cambridge. -- really the cameras were sort of we're gonna have them back after the break. You're listening to rate turned radio and WRQ -- AM. Welcome back through rates and radio -- time to hand and a I'm happy to throw it you're listening to break through radio I think there -- went over that. We have. -- -- And he -- or mom in the studio from the the Cambridge prevention coalition the regular road and yes it is diet thing I want to S -- what. You know you can do when you guys are working with. With substance users and heroin. Heroin users in the field what kind of harm reduction information you give them. Well. It's important to note that. You know and an overdose doesn't -- instantaneously it takes one to three hours. In general for someone to die of an overdose. And so we encourage people to -- not use alone. Because if someone is there and they see that you are kind of slipping into an overdose because it takes time for it to happen. They can -- do rescue breathing and -- and homeland or use our camp in order to get you some help. Some other things -- Aniston did not miss mixing drugs so you're taking. Some sort of -- solos or something like that you're also mixing them you increase your risk. And people who have been abstinent from drugs -- a long time. Are at the highest risk. Overdosing because they don't know their tolerance or -- very different. And so encourage people to do that tester sat. Just to see kind of witty. Yeah it's it's. I know a lot of people in rep -- Shaq right now yeah sure you stay rested well here's the thing is we wanna meet people where they act. This is a real. And some people do struggle with this issue. And we wanna help people meet them where -- Aaron -- being not NB nonjudgmental towards the issues that they're struggling with. The hope is that you can engage them and keep them alive and that's -- a -- next week inside they might get so -- absolutely. We have time we also. Wonder I think sometimes that bit. People you know -- sitting in their little house and they're going this is doesn't apply community I don't -- to know any of this stuff. But we know all of us for in this room that this applies to everybody it is one in time people develop some kind of problem with addiction in their lifetime and we know. Just anecdotally in our field that we see people from every walk of life every age -- I know that it's not the -- used to be this kind of people thought that heroin addict who is an inner city person. That didn't have a job and that was you know that was the below poverty level and it's it's not that way. Yeah I had a client who -- -- cloture sometimes it's used in the class that she was he was dealing with being aromatic than trying not to be. And Susan class they're discussing. You know those people that she's like I think there who do you think and they're like he would and to stick athletes that -- So -- -- organization and in Massachusetts can't learn to cope. There's a man who founded by him out there and it's. Run it by parents for families and loved ones of people working with people didn't substance abuse disorders. And they're meetings all over her these are part of Massachusetts and very nice days of the week he can go to their website. But one of the things I love about learn to cope is they have message boards. Where if you're not ready to maybe go to a meeting you can go to the message forum and reader. Talk with other family it's about what you're experiencing. Because there can be a lot of embarrassment or fear not reaching out and he'll learn to -- is a great way to kind of access other people that are experiencing some of the same things he might it yeah we we rate ten. Now how important is say include families because that's the you know. That's the other pieces to it if families with China and say yes. Then there's this great article over the summer where a mom wanted to rate and headline. You know my daughter died from an opiate overdose so that people knew that it wasn't just them because it's usually buried somewhere. Yet we have family could soon and it is really important because when to get rid of that same. Then maybe that you know it Kristen Johnson is second only seen into the wind here. It's also important they're the -- prevention is like so essential lesson that -- -- is there like this could never happen in our family. Need to be taking steps like. Taking medications that are. I'm expired that you don't need any more out of the house and seeing them and one of the prescription drop boxes that are in many communities are ever -- -- station -- yeah. Such it's not your house that your kids can experiment that concern. And talking to your kids and your family members -- out like the way no way medications can act. Well it was really interesting I can't become that expert can't because this is what I did so windy use and they somebody asked me when you start talking about it I'm like. And I -- truck and put -- -- -- overdoses and unusable but early on in the decent shows that. You can get your kids to not start smoking if you start talking about that you can postpone it for a year and that's what you wanna do an addiction. The laundry and postpone it the better shot they're real brain will be working feet. Absolutely we're and we surveyed teens every of the year and Cambridge. The number one reason why they say they do that use certain drugs like alcohol -- marijuana. Is parental disapproval. Uh huh that's the number one reason and so we encourage pants all the time to be having conversations with your. Your child because they actually whether they act like it or not they actually want to hear you say. That's not OK with me -- don't do that here. And part of it is is also just. Understanding and normalizing this stuff that this stuff exists I think. A lot of people you know that attitude that we're talking about people's thing you know it can happen here but those happened here and we need to. Kind of open up this conversation about absolutely and come. You guys are doing some really cool work on this stuff is it catching them is is is your program. Pilot program where there are other communities in the country that is tournaments. So in Massachusetts there's -- eighty communities that are working on the case which is really fantastic. Diet and this -- communities all over the country including. Believe. In Chicago and new York New Mexico I'll have native American pilot programs like Massachusetts does -- and Massachusetts is extending that program. All the time and that people can access to learn about Islam and and if people want more information about how to kitten our candor they want it's the end how can -- get in touch with the so they can go to our web science city of Cambridge. I mean I have more information marriage that -- top department also has information on how to reach us. And we've also created some. Videos about how to use -- -- how to recognize an overdose from what happens if you call my and one. And if you are 32 venue and in Cambridge provincial college and says it is the Qaeda there's four of. And that's -- we. Want to thank you guys for being here and without the U. Thank you Jamie Stein and keys to our mind and come back this has been great and it's great what you do and thank you for. You know the Clinton announced that is great thank you for kids are having an answer -- yes so. It was a good show us now it's really interests me I just love I love the idea that treatment arts events elect. Tom we we think. That. You know that nobody is aware of the stuff but I really think that it's it's showing up. It in the media and it's it's starting a conversation that's really -- -- for. Is -- to start this conversation make people more aware this is a huge public health problem. Yes it is you know of all the money people spend most of it's being spent to keep people in jails and you know keep the commitment pass hospitals none of it's being sent and treatment and prevention. So you just want to mention that we're gonna post links to. Kristen Johnston is excellent New York Times article from a post -- Russell Brand article and well you wrote -- Lincoln really good. Com about addiction and about his own personal experience. 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